Sheffield Wednesday Banter Archive December 27 2012

27 Dec 2012 13:07:47
3 games under the coaching of Stuart Gray resulting in 3 victories. What does this tell us about Dave Jones? Get rid of him now Milan, he's the problem at this club. When Terry Burton was here we were winning for fun and now we are doing the same under Stuart Gray so how is Dave Jones beneficial to this club?

He has only bee here for 2 get off soapbox and support club you and a couple of other clowns have been complete misery for last couple of months spouting rubbish.

I don't leave abusive posts but I would run a book which says more will agree with the first poster than the second. Good under Burton clueless after he left. Lucky at Barnsley then good when Gray comes in. Now to me that looks awfully like a nailed down pattern which should raise questions and prompt thought in intelligent minds.

I think you should run your book.

I agree with the first poster you watch the poor signings jones makes in jan

Poster No2 obviously got a crush on Jones, gets quite upset and offensive when anybody points out the obvious.
Why not just come back with an alternative logical explanation for why we looked good with Burton here, look good now Gray come in, but absolutely dire in between ?

Agreed with the second post, but remember they are not being negative, they are simply experts.

Has a crush? Isn't it past your bedtime?

You still not given a logical reason for your refusal to see the obvious?

I didn't make the SECOND post pal, but I do agree with it.
EVERY manager needs good coaching staff. DJ couldn't wing it, so MM has made the right move and brought in Gray.

Yes agree with second post, we are hopefully starting a good run and so called fans still on Jones back wait while end of season and let's hope we bring in an apology site DAVE JONES BARMY ARMY WTID, ME OWD THE OWL

Nice one ME OWD

The funny thing is every time a post contradicts our resident experts comments he thinks its the same person.

I'll only sing DJ's praises when its proved that 'higher authority' told him to sign the likes of Bothroyd, told him to carry on with the same losing tactics and formation and not to play for example Pecnic and Rodri to try to kick start a revival. Then and only then will I sing his praises. He's the manager and whichever way you boil it down our dire form coming up to Gray's arrival is down to him and no-one else. He's got the same 'tools' in the toolkit now that he had then. Has he suddenly seen the light with Gray's arrival and some magical transformation taken place in his mind, I doubt it.

Well said last poster , from another "expert" !
Yes lads theres a lot more than one of us , its you who are in the minority !
Instead of slinging "clown" & "expert" insults about in response to logically presented arguments from all the DJ critics, I repeat my earlier "challenge" to put together a logical, feasible , explanation of DJs performance this season ? Which offers another acceptable reason for the dire performances between Burton leaving and Gray arriving , that shouldnt be too difficult if we've all got it so wrong should it ?

"Expert" was from me, "clown" wasn't.
You two winge more than my grandad. I wish I could send you a bag of Worthers.

Still only insults nothing constructive in defence of the idolised Mr Jones ?

If you read back, I stated that DJ tried to wing it but couldn't. All managers need good coaching staff which we now have thanks to MM.
Why are you still complaining whilst we are actually winning?
If you love our club so much why can't you get behind them?

I am behind them 100% and always will be !
Thats why I'm critical of Jones .
Hes proved to me (and to fans of Cardiff and Wolves if you care to look) that his reputation is "smoke & mirrors" and he is not up to the task of managing our great club!
What happens if Gray gets a better offer like Burton did ?
Do you think we can look to be successful in the future with a manager who relies so heavily on his coach .
We need a manager who has the respect of the players , which Jones doesn't enjoy , and can run the club seamlessly if we happen to lose our coach ! Not be plunged in to another crisis that threatens relegation !
Is that any clearer?

You where calling for MM during recent weeks, are you concentrating on DJ now because of the egg on your faces?

I think you are falling in to that same trap of thinking that MM and DJ only have 1-2 critics , there are many, I read them all !
I can only speak for myself as I have above .
My only gripe with MM would be appointing Jones without doing the research , its out there if you care to look , and then compounding that with not acting sooner when he realised his mistake and seeing Jones flounder after Burton went.
The club should come first , even if that means publicly admitting you made a mistake.

I absolutely do think that a manager can be successful by relying on coaching staff.

There may be one or two that are , but they are managers in the true sense of the word , and they are the worlds best, but DJ is definitely not in that category !!
I now realise .......
Happy New Year ! Up the Owls

You two are so bitter, you should apply to Wards. As managers of course.

I wrote the second post.
It is clear from the choice of Gray as assistant it was Jones choice. He has worked twice with Jones before and is well known to him. It is clear Jones made a mistake with PW and the appointment of Gray acknowledges he made a mistake. He is not going to say in public his pal failed in role. Successful managers nearly always have a backroom team they rely upon. I was thankful for DJ efforts last year and acknowledge some signigs and selection of team this season has been poor. However he his working with a restricted budget and everyone knew new players were required in this league. What I find objectionable is the same few coming on week in week out making totally one sided statements. This is just fuel for non Wednesday fans who regularly contribute on these pages. For the record I think substantial improvement in last week is as much to do with PW moving away from coaching as Gray coming in.

I've been a critic of jones.
But to be fair he has done and said things that deserved criticising.
But he's brought in gray and he's playing our best players.
We are winning again and if he brings in some of the players i've seen mentioned,then i think we will be ok.
His reputation is bigger than what he's actually achieved but he is a good enough manager to get us in the play offs at least.
Don't know what problems he was having early on but hopefully he's learnt from them.
There is no point now getting rid of him this season.We have to give him till may and then see how things are.

I listen to all this crap about bothroryd BUT when we got him DJ thought he was a good signing WE all thought he was a good signing but we were all proved wrong he didn't fit here but lets not give DJ grief for something we all agreed with at the time - its too easy to point the finger, but if we are honest too ourselves who wouldn't have signed boothroyd at that time (not now) but at that time he did seem to be a good signing and I remember reading on this sight how happy people were we had signed him some people have short memories. Its time to forget the crap and look forward we seem to be on the right track now for whatever reasons lets just keep our belief and get behind Sheffield Wednesday FC UTO eric the owl

Lets hope next time we sign someone DJ doesn't just drop them straight into playing line-up and insisting on playing them week in week out for a full game. Instead he should introduce them for 15 -20 mins at a time as sub to see what they are capable of and to see if they can blend with what we already have.

Wouldn't it be best if he bought somebody who he knows would fit in instead of spending mms money on more than a dozen players to sit in stands ? If that happens again in January think mm patience will start to run thin !

I think in the contract we signed with QPR there is a clause Boothroyd is played if fit, often quite common where Premier club are subsidising loan. Think we all thought good signing at time but he has proved a liability so agree with above poster. At the time to agree to play a player when fit who was a star at this level a couple of years ago would have seemed ok. Ufortuately he is only a shadow of player he was and egine appears to have gone.

Like me ..... piston broke !!