Sheffield Wednesday Rumours Archive November 30 2012

30 Nov 2012 14:12:18
Millwall have put an offer in to buy Beevers & we are considering it! What u reackon we will do? I say keep but we will sell!

Knowning our luck and dj mentality to get bothroyd, we will sell a star future aspect!

i would like jones, if he just played football rite, its not fair to drop players cos there poor but keep bothroyd in whos terrible, give rodri a chance!! madine they say hes poor playd last at midlsbro but score, not since, when did bothrod last play and scor but not been dropped!? play 442 and play players in place and play players on ability and not wow he use to play for arsenal or england, drop bothroyd for rodri/madine and drop kirkland and give bywater a chance?! i mean remember which players got us to the championship please mr jones and then we and the players will support you!? rant over xxxx lol xxxxx

Millwall agree fee for Beevers for 250k
what a joke

Of course we'll sell !
We've got three 30+ centre halves , why would we keep a promising young (LOCAL) centre half like Beevers?
It would make good sense to keep him but we don't do sensible any more !

Is MM so short of money that we have to sell a promising young player like Beevers for peanuts ?
If it had been a £1m you would have to consider it but he is worth more than we're getting as a squad player and apart from that HES BETTER THAN THOSE SELECTED !
What next ??

Its not about the right time he even contemplates selling mark, were dead because if thats the case, he has no good thing selling our youth or good players, and bringing crap, is he working for warnock? lol
cos were going to sink faster and morer then we are doing if this happends, it just proves owt is possible then :( xxxxxxxxxxx

Please please Mandric do something .... GET MEGSON BACK please and swallow your pride for sacking him last season, it is for the sake of the club. Megson is a real owls fan and the current state of the club is killing him just like killing us ... bring him for the rest of the season, pending results, and I am absolutely sure he will contain these players well and motivate them better. After all it is his club and players he signed were good, unlike the ones DJ signed...... can you join me to encourage MM to get support for having Megson Back ..... awaiting your reply from all of you

Madine is next to go

I thought in football the fans were more important, shouldnt mm listen to us like? xxxx

This smacks of two fingers to the fans; if you like him I don't.
JR

After all it is his club those 6 words will upset MM my friend you should choose your words better. We know what you mean _ GM is pure blue and white and thats what we need. Also hear we are considering a bid for Beevers for £250k bring in bad sell the good seems to be the in thing at the moment. Well its not good enough. - MMwe believe in you and have trusted you and we thank you for saving our club, but we wont thank you for destroying it please sort it now before its too late we are quickly running out of time and the manager has lost the plot everyone can see that and I'm sure you can but you must act soon please eric the owl

Milan please sell up and go.

150k with another 150k to come if he helps Milwall to a top 6 finish! I say let him go cos we av Taylor now whos a good player

Taylor is a good player? What are you on? Beevers is far better. Jones hasn't a clue. My startin 11 on sunday would be bywater
Lee,llera, beevers, r johnson
Jj, semedo, mccabe, antonio
Madine, bothroyd

Reda injured. Where been hidin?

You 11 is that because u have neva managed a football club, and if u have it a sunday league kid team. Do u watch swfc train day in day out, dont think so, trust in DJ i probs dont agree with some signings but i dont watch what happens behind the scene give DJ time if we go down we re group and we have to work with the same players lets face it our history is massive times have changed we dont want to be sacking a manager every 6 months let him build a team up if any thing i would give him this season and next season and see where we are. need to build a team up over a season look at the likes of norwich pretty much the same team and players since league 1, players need to develop over time and play together week in week out for a long time to get to know each others game etc. patience is what is needed! also its easy for people to say we can do better than Jones but lets face it we couldnt, hence why he is a manager and a successful one at that and we are writing on this forum, and do normal jobs!

TRUST IN MM AND DJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Part of weds past is not allowing managers time. It's part of the mismanagement from previous owners.
BUT... There is no justification for the results we've had. I've been to quite a few and calling it bad luck will only work for so long. I can't see much logic to his transfers and even though we were not going to make playoffs we should have been comfortably safe.

I have been critical of our club in the past for being too quick to fire managers and I want to say stick with the manager and let him build.
BUT - I think we all know now that Jones is not that manager.
In fact , despite his reputation , if you look at his record he has usually under performed relative to the complete backing he was given at Wolves & Cardiff.
I know Cardiff fans through my family and they will tell you that although Jones record looks good on paper , the fans always thought they weren't doing as well as they should be , and his team selections were puzzling, sounds familiar now.

I agree, one of our downfalls is constantly changing managers. However, in this case it is vital if we wish to remain in the Championship.

I don't know why people harp on about jones being a good manager.
Ask wolves and cardiff fans what he was like.
I agree we get rid of people too easily sometimes.I've not been one in the past to ask for a new manager but i am now.
Look at all the players he's brought in and none have imrpoved us.Everyone makes mistakes but this many?
He doesn't know his best team.He has virtually got last seasons team playing today after trying all combinations.
Not good enough

Ross barkley?? paul corry?? kirkland??? gardner?? Rhys McCabe?? all have quality!!

Barkley was his one success but even he was young and inconsistant.
Corry and Mcabe will be good players but not what we need this season.
Kirkland wasn't needed,gardner is ok but no better than jones was.
Bothroyd isn't doing the business,Sidibe looks meh and rest of his new additions can't get a sniff.So his record of bringing players in isn't great so far.
This is why people aren't confident that he'll fix it in january.

30 Nov 2012 13:48:07
I want Jones out now .
But trying to look at it from MMs point of view because he obviously wants to keep him, there are TWO things that have to happen , and they BOTH have to happen , otherwise MM really has no excuse:-
1) A reaction from the players at Cardiff on Sunday - very unlikely in my opinion, but perhaps the fans would feel different if there was a sign that we had turned a corner and given Cardiff a game, even if we were unfortunate to lose.
2) A home win , with a convincing performance preferably, against Bristol City next weekend.
Nothing less than BOTH these can give MM an excuse not to act.
Having said this, if there is another shameful collapse at Cardiff like the other night it should be as obvious to MM as it is to the majority of fans that DJs has lost the dressing room and his time has come, and hopefully then give somebody else time to attempt to keep us in this lge.

30 Nov 2012 09:57:38
It is generally agreed that our morale is low and that players are in disarray. If that is the case, we will need a manager whose skills include the ability to heal. The thought of Paul Ince, in these terms, as a prospective manager is worrying. Bookies are not often wrong, let's hope they are this time.

Agree. to bring in paul ince would really devastate our support.you can bet that crowds would drop like a stone,regardless of results.....

Milan you fetch ince in rather than megson who is one of our own, I HAVE DONE TILL YOU HAVE GONE.

Megson will not be reinstated if last man on earth his fan club on here need to move on. I wanted Megson as manager and was disappointed he was dismissed. Certain he would not have got us automatically promoted. DJ did excellent job last season. When he left relationship between him and MM had broken down completely and can not be repaired. I understand scouting reports and other stats stuff were not present when new regime took over. I now think a person can be sometimes too close to a club and manage more with heart than head and this would be my only crticism of Megson.
Having said that some decisions this season have been strange and difficult to understand I never thought we would go straight up but thought we would do better than we have. Think we need man to replace Terry Burton, it is now obvious he was tactician and organiser for.
MM obviously likes Dave so think we are best served indicating we are a coach short and need a replacement for Burton.

So you think that someone ought to point out to the owner of our club that since our coach went to Arsenal the whole club has gone "t*ts up" ! - errrr ... I think he will have noticed !
The real problem is he has done nothing about it?
You point out some of Megsons failings , you're obviously not a fan, but regardless of that , MM was not slow to act when Megson was slipping was he?
How can anybody defend whats happening to the club now? - I'm not exaggerating when I say that Jones will be responsible for us going down, and its likely to happen now whether he is sacked or not, so bad is the job hes done of "strengthening" the team !
So PLEASE dont try and lecture me on the relative merits of Megson & Jones. Megson took the club forward with nothing and whilst battling with the chairman for resources to help !
Jones will take us down - with the chairmans full support - FACT !

Calm down dear

Sorry, I obviously care more than you do (dear) and its not my way to stand around and watch a disaster taking place and simply observe. I would rather act, but if I'm not in a position to act then I certainly expect those who can , to act.
I would pose a simple question - what was the point in sacking Megson under the guise of "we have to ensure we get to Championship" , if you then stand idly by and watch a manager who has obviously lost the players and the fans, take us limply back in to Lge1?
What is the point ? (dear)

A disaster, try telling those who are starving to death about wednesday`s so called disaster, get real and dont forget to wipe that egg of your face come may(dear)

Context (dear) ? - Anyway you sit at home and stay calm like you probably do all the time, we'll sort it out for you!

Why are we as fans of Wednesday affraid to stand up and voice our concerns like fans of other clubs do. Just look at the actions of Blackburn fans earlier this season for example. Even QPR fans were holding banners aloft only last week requesting Hughes be sacked and Redknapp be installed. What do we do when our clubs in trouble? We have a chat to a friend about it, wow! I remember I was working in London at the time when the criminal act of sacking Megson news broke and the lads that I was working with who were Hammers fans said that they couldnt believe it and no way would they allow there club to sack a manager that was doing such a good job. The word "ALLOW" stuck in my mind and I realised just how different other clubs fans see there clubs. They all even agreed that there fans would be making themselves heard in and around the ground voicing there disapproval and demanding the re-instatement of the said manager. What Dickie fans do? Mentioned how unhappy we was about it to the odd mate. Come on Wednesday fans let's grow a backbone and demand better for our once great club and make ourselves heard before we end up in an even worse mess than we're in now!!

The above post is true but what he obviously fails to realise is that taking advice from Hammers fans can't be compared to our fans. They're an extremely passionate fan base and see the club as family not just something that they support on a Saturday afternoon. You a
So mention Blackburn and QPR fans who too hold there clubs dearly and not surprisingly do turn on there clubs owners, directors and management if they're unhappy with results. We are more conservative than that and ready differently. We voice our concerns with a stiff upper lip we always have. Could you seriously imagine Wednesday fans shouting abuse at the manager or the owner just because results aren't going right or because we got relegated? No of course not. We even read about fans of clubs getting on certain players backs simply because they aren't performing, how stupid is that? Jay Bothroyd isn't scoring the goals that we brought him in to do but as Wednesday fans we wouldn't jeer him for it. Ok we get down about it and maybe say to the bloke sat next to us that he should have scored but why shout or boo? Let's leave that to the over passionate clubs who expect too much of there team and get on with supporting our club in the way we've done it since day one.

"A disaster, try telling those who are starving to death "

There are always more imporant things in life but this is a place to come and talk about football.
And just because there is something/someone worse off, it doesn't make wednesdays problems any less.
It will be a disaster even if not in the sense you mean.
But no one will have egg on there face except you pal.