Sheffield Wednesday Banter Archive February 01 2014

 

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01 Feb 2014 13:38:18
Stop all of this moaning, yes we lost Wickham but that's because Sunderland recalled him to cover their next few games. There is a strong possibility that he could come back next week on emergency loan. Also we've brought in Afode who looks good now he's older and better experienced I think he'll bang a few goals in. We are on good run let's back the boys and 3 points today

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01 Feb 2014 13:08:08
I can see us winning 3-2 today, no wickham but we have got afobe whom I hope starts

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01 Feb 2014 11:16:32
Maybe it's just me but I think mm needs to move on I thank him for saving the club but I don't thank him for the lye he keeps telling us. he lacks ambition in my eyes how can Barnsley Yeovil Carlton millwall had to there squads when they are getting less crowds than us don't have the big support don't sell enough season tickets or merchandise it's a joke, I mean the takeover is a lye the 5 man short list was a joke time for you to pack up take a loss on you investment and do what you said you would do that's the best for us fans and Sheffield Wednesday
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I completely disagree, the reason we didn't improve the squad is because we actually have some good players in the side, that already have competition, and with Afobe coming in, and Wickham possibly coming back at a later date, we have a pretty good looking side, MM has to be reasonable the club is losing money each year, if MM throws money at it we'll not only be back in L1 but we might enter Administration.

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I completely disagree SensibleOwl - in effect you are trying to say we didn't improve the squad because its good enough already?
Sorry but are you for real?
Arsenal - Chelsea - Man United - ManC - all still recruiting to improve but you think we good enough?
Only one reason we are not recruiting, that's Milan couldn't or wouldn't find his wallet?
And regardless of what you think or MM says Sheffield Wednesday are no worse off than any of the other Champs clubs who have strengthened their squads!

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Firstly, Arsenal didn't sign anyone in the January transfer window, secondly, you do realise the difference between Premier League and Championship? In the Premier League you can buy players for ridiculous amounts of money because they can afford it, we as a club cannot afford any more in the wage budget, we would have to let players go, and personally I would prefer players that know each other, and can play together than a team of new players that one; cannot understand each other, and two; have no idea how to play together. To me it seems like you don't know the first thing about how football and economics work.

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Actually I said improve the squad, never said anything about ridiculous amounts of money.
The point was no matter who you are, or where you are, you still have to try to improve.
The great Bill Shankly once said " If you try to stand still in football you go backwards ".
I'll leave others to judge which approach makes most sense!

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Real owl, you say you want mm to move on. Well there has to be a suitable buyer for that to happen and mm has made no secret of his desire to sell. So what do you actually want him to do, push the keys to the ground through the letter box as he leaves?
also be careful what you wish for, could end up with one of the many shambolic consortiums getting involved with football clubs.

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BTW - Arsenal signed a Swedish midfielder.

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Okay, but do you think Manchester United would have bought Mata if they didn't have the money? No because they wouldn't have been able to afford it, we already have a decent squad for the championship, we have next to no money to spend, so unless we sell we cannot buy, that is my point about the obscene amounts of money the teams you said all have it to spend, we on the other hand do not, and anyone who says we do have the resources needs to pull their heads out of their a** and take a good hard look at the world.

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{Ed002's Note - You put nonsense like the last sentence in again and your posts will get deleted.}

Real owl.
I admire the irony in your namesake.
We have beaten and are above all of the teams that you mentioned.
So apart from that, great point, let's hope MM goes.

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Real owl I am certain is not in touch with reality.
Investment which the teams you mentioned have made is window dressing and based on a panic situation.
Whatever anyone says MM does not panic also investment placed in backroom operations does not make popular press headlines but if you want succesful club is essential. The investment in Academy and Development suads has been significant and for first time in years we have promising players on horizon. Also scoutig and coachng networks have been significantly ramped up.
DJ new what we should have a pity he did not know how to utilise them. Gray has shown what can be achieved by current squad as he did when he came in to coach last year.
Terry Burton also showed what improvement a good coach can make when he arrived with DJ when we were in L1.
I genuinely believe if DJ had just let Gray carry on as he had done when he first arrived we would be in comfortable mid table position with squad we have.
To MM's credit he realised where the problems were and removed DJ and his number 2 Paul Wilkinson and put Gray in charge.
I find it strange people post such rubbish and then use examples which clearly illustrate the folly of what they are saying.
Can I ask folks to just take a step back and look at wider picture rather than thinking club X has signed a player we must respond.
To use well established Premier clubs as examples of investment is like comparing chalk with cheese.
If you look at Wigan who are a well run club and in receipt of parachute payments, they have made several astute loan signings this season and with good coach in charge I will expect them to climb table and challenge for play offs. We get numerous on here comment about use of loan system but it gives you access to talent which you would be unale to otherwise afford. By the way it is not just the fee of the players the wages are also a major issue.
Apologies to those owls who are aware of above but it appears necessary to teach some to suck eggs.

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M. M. did not throw good money around during the transfer window and yet I think we have bettered the squad. I would have been overjoyed if Wickham and Fryatt had returned but Adofe did his bit and the workhorse Nuihu did his usual charging around upsetting the defenders. He like Llera is a wholehearted trier of a player and every team needs one or two of these types of players. McGuire has really hit a purple patch and is even being talked about with a Scotland squad recall. We have two of the best keepers in the league but we lack centre halves would can keep fit, but when available Loovens and the yank are all right. Buxton should get his place back when fit with Palmer moving forward to partner Lee and Semedo in midfield and push McGuire into a solo position behind two front players. With McGuire in this hole behind a strong from two plenty of loose balls should come his way and with his willingness to give the ball a crack at goal things should and will improve. Safety is imperative this season anything else will be a bonus. A wee bit of buying and tweaking of the squad and things should be fine for a push onwards and upwards next year. S. G. appears to have the lads playing for him and each other and with heart and spirit, so M. M. for gods sake back him with what ever money is available and let him do his job. We the loyals will thank you for this.

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01 Feb 2014 09:07:54
First time poster read everyday, ok I'm like everyone else disappointed to be with Wickham etc etc but you lot are depressing and some are rediculous regarding no investment? Was Afobe not investment, is spending his own money everyday on wages, he still has to pay Megson I feel it's easier to criticize by no means am I a MM fan quite to the contrary but I feel to openly slate a guy for no investment when he must spend around 100k a week on this football club to keep it running if not more, I understand us as fans went to see some ambition it would be nice but I am more positive this will happen with Gray at the helm rather than one time waster, also I would rather us sign players like Afobe on loan if he's a hit we can sign him if not no loss, better than spending 1m on a player we don't know how he will settle ok I see sense in this as we could buy blah blah blah spend spend spend you lot moan when we're getting wound up. I'm not saying you have to agree to my views but just consider this have you the money to put £4m to wednesday transfer kitty and be ok? Because I'm not sure Milan has any spare cash hence looking for investment he will do his best for us because he wants a profit you need to calm down and stay positive I swear some of you could be the tipping point to someone creating suicide, rant over let's get all 3 points Adrian

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Welcome your first post and this is not intended as a put down, or a criticism or support of Milan.
But surely we should make our assessments of what happens at our club based on facts, as far as we can establish them?
First of all research MMs business interests thoroughly, he is an extremely wealthy man, you don't buy football clubs, as an individual especially, in UK unless you have a bit of spare cash!
Not that he will intend losing any money, he has always made money from his football businesses like all his other businesses, he's a business man first and foremost.
Under the new FFP rules which are starting to take effect, all FL clubs are much closer to a operating on a level playing field. Clubs have to be run sensibly and in line with their generated income.
Owners and benefactors can still put a subsidy in to the club but it is limited. There are also strict debt limits, but that won't worry us too much any more.
The other major factor to bear in mind is parachute payments to clubs dropping out of Prem.
So against that background, I suggest we have to ask two simple questions to help us get a feel for MMs stewardship.
Where do we sit in terms of our income against all the other FL clubs.
Where do we sit in terms of our investment against all the other FL clubs.
In other words is our spending on the team in line with other clubs of a similar size and earning potential to us?
Who are those clubs? What business are they doing?
That answer won't tell the full story, obviously, but surely that comparison is a sensible starting point?

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The response takes no account of the absolue shambles he inherited.
The club had been pruned to the bone and no money spent duing the time Allen was in disute with Wednesdayite. To get thngs back on a competative footing have to put foundations in first. A few big signngs do not help if you have no scouting, perfomance analysis system, or academy worthy of name. Only a complete imbecile would consider trying to build a structure without proper foundations.
We also have a very expensive stadium to run which requires substantial expenditure.
The questions you ask show a complete and utter lack of understanding of a business and issues they face.

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I thought we were discussing where we are now, and what's happening now?
Not still reminiscing about where we came from?
When do we stop being grateful for what he did and start to take notice of what he's doing now?
How many standstill seasons will it take before we are allowed to ask the important questions like - what are you doing with our club now you own it?

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He is putting the foundations in place, you are obviously not quite with it.
He has invested heavily in academy and development squad.
We also have some good first team players who ae now being allowed to blossom.
Maguire, Lee Onyewu Have all shown great promise.
Halen had best game for months against Millwall.
Even his worst critics will have to acknowledge Nuhiu has also shown improvement.
Lavery and Maghoma have improved substantially.
Palmer is looking a decent full back who will soon be getting Scotland recognition if improvement continues, do not think Buxton ill get back in team.
Afobe on one showing looks ok.
Academy has several young players on fringe of first team and you must have heard rumours about current U/16s & u/15s teams. In how many of last few years can you report such positives.
We have good scouting and excellent scouting info which Gray is now using to best advantage.
You ask what is he doing, wakey wakey. Yu have to realise what level club was at, that is not harping back to past. Oh I forgot all the above cost nothing and just appeared as if by magic.

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"Foundations" poster:-
I am "with it", and I appreciate and agree with all the points you mention regarding how far we have come.
But from your post I assume that you too will appreciate the most important part of any enterprise is its core business. The core business is usually what funds everything else.
Our core business is Championship football at the moment, if we lose that all the other achievements you refer to are jeopardised at best.
My post highlighted my, and many other fans concerns.
It would appear there is, perhaps understandably given MMs stated aim of selling the club, a business plan to make sure "all the ducks are in line" - which is what you refer to, at the expense of core business.
I gather from your post you have some understanding of business, as such you will know running a business is about choices, and the choice you make is governed by your particular circumstances.
I suggest to you that if MM was intending to be here for 20yrs, not selling up, he would have made different choices?
His focus would be more on the core business, the 1st team - "the revenue stream" - than on putting "all the ducks in line" to appeal to a prospective buyer.
I don't blame him, its not personal, I understand perfectly why Milan is acting as he is, and in the same situation I would probably do exactly the same!
But as a fan I don't have to "like it" or "keep quiet about " because my motivation is a successful team, not an attractive business proposition.

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In response t ducks in row. If you are after a quick fire sale you do the opposite go for quick wins. Which is uying a you fancy players. Putting resources into Academy is a 10to 15 year process and not something you would concentrate upon. I assure you his efforts are definitely long term based.
I think players we have signed were not cheap, accept they did not perform that way.
Some names suggested on site are inadequate and would make no difference to side. We tried for Maynard, Sharp and one other in addition to two well documented targets. They chose not to come.
If you are looking for criticism on transfer policy I think we should have signed striker in summer which was what everyne said we were looking for. However would we have then been able to loan Fryatt and Wickham, we have to stay within budget.
Finally I do think if we had reasonable start to season and were close to play off places you would see Milan get cheque book out. This is way he has worked in past.
I do not thnk approach you suggest would result in sufficient extra revenue to cover outlay. Accept its not an exciting policy on recruitment but it is very sensible and to get us back to where we belong we need several years of solidity. Patience of fans is always in short supply but ask everyone to realise it is what is required.
Quick fixes were tried and failed over last few years, so just stick with it and have faith.

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01 Feb 2014 08:51:56
Wel Sunderland managed to keep a hold of wickham last night so hopefully na he maybe makes a return to hillsborough next wk in loan market to aid our fight did a tremendous job before and will do again outstanding goal scorer now we've given him the opportunity he needed to get playin an confidence back!! Wish he was ere for today's game but. let's ave a strong display today an send the dingles packin wi there tails between there legs! WAWAW COME ON WEDNESDAY see u all at today's game.

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Good result today, another step forward. Kept going to the last minute. Maguire grafted all game and got another goal. Onyewu is bette defende than Roger Johnson and has improved with each game. Lavery should have had penalty when he was tripped in box.
Afobe had encouraging debut, when his strengths are known to rest of team he will start scoring.

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01 Feb 2014 00:03:38
I wish mandaric would go, we are one of the biggest crowd pullers in the championship but we have no money to spend on on players, RUBBISH, Leicester fans and Portsmouth fans said it, you'll get nowhere with mandaric.

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Ok why don't you buy us some new players then? Who won today us or dingles with all their new signings. Millwall were great too after their investment. Team on a great run, a load of new signings could upset the spirit in squad.

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